"Do we want it to go down?"
Dana asks an excellent question because, as we the informed viewers know (and Joss Wheadon's
The Cabin In the Woods wants everyone to be an informed viewer about horror films and what they mean) "going down" always symbolizes
a digression into the dark passions and appetites which is exactly what has been going on throughout the film and, quite frankly, the reason they are in this situation. (If you haven't seen the film, this post contains spoilers). As I noted, the film wants us to be informed viewers, and one of the first meaty bites it throws us is a year:
1998.
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| Remember, please, a house is a symbol for the soul, and since there are no "upstairs" to the house, the film makers want us to know that there is no higher level of thinking for any of these characters; the "control room" manipulating everything going on in the cabin, wants the group to go into the cellar because the cellar is the symbol for our lower passions, our dark desires and what we keep hidden, hence, the reason that's the room wherein they make "the choice" of how they will die, we are defined by our vices in horror films, not our virtues, and vice is a form of weakness which leads to death. Out vices weaken us and make us unable to choose greater goods, greater freedoms. This is not me reading my morality and Christianity into the film, this is what the film itself says, which is great, I love it! |
There wasn't anything in particular that happened in 1998 which would have one think of a "glitch" as control room operators Sitterson and Hadley call it, but
The Cabin In the Woods is a movie of movies, and the more movies you have seen, the more you will recognize, including a film that was made in 1998,
The Truman Show starring Jim Carry. There were lots of great films made in 1998, why on earth would this one be sited? One, because
The Truman Show formed the basis of what makes
The Cabin In the Woods possible,
a constructed reality (like in the arena of
The Hunger Games).
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| Marty, the pot head, finding one of the control room's cameras in a lamp he has knocked over. Usually, a source of light will signal a "bright idea" or the "light of reason" entering, and Marty, finding the camera thinks, "I'm on a reality TV show," so he's close, but his thesis needs a bit of work. His thought is, "My parents are going to think I am such a burn out," because he is. At that moment, a zombie hand grabs him through the window and drags him out; windows symbolize reflection, so Marty has realized he's a zombie because he smokes pot all the time and that's why he can be taken by the zombies and punished and killed (because those are the rules of the horror genre, you vice is the very thing that kills you). Why doesn't Marty die? Marijuana, which he seems to always be smoking, is legal in a lot of states (up to a certain amount) so the legislative bodies of this country have changed the morality by making something legal that previously wasn't. That's why Marty can be a drug addict but survive a horror film. |
If you think I am making a stretch, please recall that one of the people in the control room (the new guy) is named Truman (Brian White) and he's the one upset with how the kids are being treated on the other side of the control room screen (he's identifying with them to at least some degree). What would be the
glitch that Hadley and Sitterson refer to connecting them back to
The Truman Show? One, that Truman escaped his world as the kids in
The Cabin In the Woods nearly do and, two, we the audience learned a new way of watching films and becoming self-aware of how they--and ourselves--are manipulated.
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| Sitterson with the coffee and cooler, Lin who says she doesn't bet on the proceedings but does anyway, and Hadley who wants to see a merman. They go about their own individual lives with no care or concern for the kids being butchered on the other side, only that they do their job well and make sure the kids die. There are a couple of glitches actually that makes them look bad. Marty finds one of their cameras, then he doesn't die when they thought Marty had and Marty finds a control room power panel that allows him some electrical control over what's taking place within "the grid." One way of describing the control room guys is that they are the masterminds of a satanic cult who use technology to insure the devil gets his food; there are other ways to look at them, too. |
How do each of the kids dying reflect their sin?
Jules is the whore (the film names her this, I don't) and so, as the director (Sigourney Weaver) says, she has to die first because she taints everyone else (again, the film says this, I didn't). But that's
absolutely true. Marty dares Jules to make out with a stuffed wolf hanging on the wall and Jules does it, quite erotically, and then they applaud her performance and she takes a bow. She later does a kinky little dance in front of everyone and her and later her and boyfriend Curt go off into the woods to have sex and they encounter the first of the red-neck torture family zombies that will kill them. The reason Jules doesn't think about making out with the wolf as being... abnormal (necromania and bestiality in one) is because she does it all the time:
Curt is the wolf hungry for sex with her and she gives it to him.
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| Jules exhibits outrageous sexuality in the film; one might argue, and justly, that the blond hair dye she used had been treated by the control room to slowly release hormones to increase her libido, and hormone mist was released when her and Curt when into the woods to have sex; the point is, Jules was all ready going in that direction and if her free will--her moral base guiding her free will--had been stronger, she wouldn't have gotten killed. In the scene pictured above, Jules accepts Marty's dare to make out with a stuffed wolf and when she walks up to the wolf, she plays a little charade with it, telling the stuffed beast, "You don't need to huff and puff, I'll let you in," citing the story of The Three Little Pigs, and yes, we should be thinking of all the pigs that have been showing up in films lately (by coincidence) especially the one from Contagion. How can I prove that Curt is the wolf? Marty says compares Kurt to an alpha male, which is, of course, the designation for the leader of a wolf pack. So we can deduce that Jules names herself as a pig when, in reality, I thought she was going to cite Little Red Riding Hood instead, but the film steers clear of the successful little heroine (Riding Hood) and goes for the animal that best fits Jules, the pig. |
When the zombies actually come and get Jules, they stick a knife (or some such sharp object) through her hand first when she's still in the foreplay stage with Curt. That's important, Jules and Curt haven't actually started intercourse,
just Jules taking off her clothes for Curt is sufficient to constitute her as a whore and warrant death in a horror film. The zombie sticking the sharp object through her hand has layers of meaning. First, it symbolizes the sexual act (the sharp object piercing the skin) that Jules would be participating in, and her free will choosing that path means she's all ready dead, all ready a zombie to her moral responsibility. Secondly, since the hand is a symbol of strength, it shows that Jules didn't value her real "jewels," her brain and heart, but relied upon her sexuality as her main strength in life. The third reason will be discussed below regarding Patience Buckner.
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| Why is Curt able to survive the zombie attack? Two reasons, first, because Marty--being a drug addict--is supposed to die secondly, so it's just not Curt's time yet, but also because of a rule from video games: if there is some good in a person, that can keep them alive to help them overcome serious injuries that, in real life, would be fatal. It's the rewarding of what virtue may be in a character, but in The Cabin In the Woods, it's really just saving the character until the moment they are really supposed to die. Why does the zombie toss Dana Jules' head through the doorway? An open door symbolizes what we have "opened ourselves up to" especially in our hearts, and the head symbolizes the governing function of ourselves and our knowledge, so Jules had knowledge about Dana opening herself up to the professor that Dana had an affair with and how Dana could easily have been the whore instead of Jules. There are lots of ways to decapitate a person, especially in horror films, so why do the zombies utilize a two-person tree cutting saw to kill Jules? Because it takes two people to make a whore, the man and the woman. It's a cultural fallacy that men can't or shouldn't be responsible for chastity and celibacy in a relationship outside of marriage (and one that more films are challenging; case in point, Holden has the perfect opportunity to watch Dana undress when he discovers the two-way mirror but he abstains from it and alerts her to what is happening and she thanks him for not being a creep). If Curt valued and respected Jules beyond her sexuality, he could have insisted that they not be sexual, but that's not what Curt did, and it was Curt and Jules together that separated her brain from the rest of her body (her sexual organs to be exact). |
So if Curt has some good in him, why doesn't he survive the jump with his bike? There's an invisible boundary between dating and being married to someone, and the grid symbolizes that invisible boundary. Curt "made the jump" with Jules from boyfriend to husband without them being married, so even though, as Curt tells Holden, he's jumped a lot further with his bike in the past, he doesn't have the moral strength to overcome the power of the grid that is holding him back
morally. In the sacrificial pictures, the athlete that Curt fulfills is shown with a spear, and that spear is the phallic symbol: athletes have to have good bodies to compete, the problem is, the body becomes their whole being (in art and stereotypes of them) and they then look at others as being only bodies as well, including Jules.
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| At this point pictured above, they have lost Jules and they think they have lost Marty. They were trying to make it out of the grid and almost succeeded when a "tunnel avalanche" caused by the control room makes it impossible to pass, and Curt, driving the mobile home rambler, quickly thinks and steps on the gas, backing out all the way out of the tunnel in reverse; pretty impressive driving. It symbolizes the unconscious thinking Curt has been doing because going into the tunnel (since Curt is driving) easily symbolizes the sexual act, and going in reverse means that he's wishing to undo what he and Jules had been doing because he realizes now that's why she died. The sheer rocks they are surrounded by? The "hardness of heart" that sin causes and is caused by sin. Even though Curt is being sweet and kind and self-sacrificing, it's too late for him, the grid, which resembles honeycomb (as in bee hives) invokes the work of bees, and how all our works will be held before us when we are judged, either for us or against us. This is the basis of The Cabin In the Woods, because each of them basically judges their own self by the way of death they were going to choose in the cellar. Because Curt, as the athlete, has played games all his life (as in sports) he dies on his bike in the game of trying to jump the cliff and loses his life. |
"You can't tell me you don't want a piece of that," Curt says after Jules has done her little dance in front of everyone, and Marty replies, "Can we not talk about humans in pieces?" and this is a big point for Marty, because he's not letting Jules be dehumanized even though he and her had made out their freshman year (which is the reason why the zombie is able to drag Marty out of the window and do serious harm to him, Marty had physically used Jules years earlier so Marty has to be punished for that sin/crime). Curt talking about "having a piece of her" reveals what he really thinks of her but also what Jules has allowed him to come to think of her because of her behavior. This is a great illustration of how
promiscuous sexual activity weakens men and women.
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| From left to right: Dana, Curt, Holden and Marty, Jules has just had her head cut off and it's waiting for delivery on the other side of the door. Dana and Marty get beaten up pretty badly, but survive; Holden and Curt get killed, and it seems like the should have died a couple of times before they actually succumb. Each person, as mentioned, fulfills a stereotype and each of the kids somehow fulfills that stereotype. Curt is called the athlete, and he is athletic, but when we first meet the sociology major, he's telling Dana the differences between the books on Soviet economic structures she should be reading for class; Holden appears to be just as athletic as Curt but he's labeled the scholar. The only real moment of scholarly activity we see in him is his deciphering of the Latin Dana had read from Patience's diary. How does Holden stack up as a man? He wants to watch Dana undress, but stops and does the right thing and lets everyone know about the two-way mirror; good for him, how many guys would have had a strong enough free will to overcome their inner struggle and do the right thing? But later, he and Dana are making out on the couch and Dana lets him know that she doesn't want to "go far," and he assures her that she doesn't have to do anything she doesn't want to; we could leave this scene at that, however, Marty walks by and, employing the phrase they got from Patience's diary, says out loud for the audience's benefit that Holden has a "husband's bulge" from making out with Dana. Jules and Curt had set the two up, and Holden and Dana mention that Dana has practically been sold to Holden has his wife even before they met, but they still are not married, so Holden shouldn't be participating in activities that are the husband's right. |
Why does Holden die?
He does the right things, right? He doesn't peep on Dana when she's undressing, and he doesn't push her to go further than she wants, so why does he die?
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| Francisco de Goya's Witches Sabbath, not the painting hanging in Holden's bedroom in the cabin, but it does show (as we better see when Dana looks at it) how it presents the goat as a religious figure. In the cabin painting, there is a very large goat surrounded by a great pack of dogs and hunters and the goat is being torn to pieces by the dogs. This is how it should be in life, instead of the goat tearing people apart, us apart. Satan is the allegorical goat figure, and the dogs are the "dogs of God," the Dominicans (Latin for dogs of God, and it's okay to use Latin because Patience uses Latin in her diary). The religious will tear apart Satan as the dogs tear apart the goat, but Holden and Dana are disturbed by the painting because they don't realize the importance of what it depicts, which is the victory that they should have in their spiritual life but because they don't that is precisely why they are so easily victimized for their sins/vices. |
As Marty pointed out, he got the "husband bulge" from making out with Dana; now we can say that in and of itself that's not enough because a zombie pulls him through the black room floor whereto Holden and Dana escape, but Holden escapes the zombie grip so why does the zombie in the back of the rambler get him through the throat?
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| Before Holden found this mirror, there was a painting covering this section of the wall that he decided to take down (discussed above), revealing the mirror. Holden pounds on the wall and lets Dana know to stop undressing and he shows everyone the mirror and Holden offers to switch rooms with Dana so she won't have to worry about him looking at her so they switch. Dana just gets into the room and turns around to face the mirror and Holden has started undressing... intentionally? Come on, he should have known that Dana wouldn't have had the time to get the mirror covered back up, but he takes off his shirt and starts taking off his pants, and Dana can't look away, well, she finally does, (exhibiting the same sexual appetites that the guy did, which is why she's attacked by a werewolf later, no sin, vice or crime is EVER forgotten in a horror film) and Holden tempting Dana with his body, the way Jules will do later with her little dance, is one of the reasons why Holden isn't a great guy. |
Holden has a sharp object rammed through his throat meaning, symbolically, he wants Dana to give him oral sex and
just wanting that is enough to get him killed. A film can't
say something like that, but it can
show us. That zombie (and we saw the bloody hand print of it when the kids first got in with Curt to try and escape) had been lurking in the back of the "rambler" the whole time, just like Holden's thoughts on how far he might get with Dana lurking in the back of his mind, rambling around back there. Holden has started dehumanizing Dana the same way Curt dehumanized Jules because Dana starts thinking out loud about what's been happening to them and Holden thinks she's going crazy instead of listening to how she's pieced everything together.
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| Holden being pulled up by one of the Buckners through the floor where he and Dana had escaped to. I can't quite remember, but I think Dana saves Holden in this scene, using various devices in the black room--the Buckners' own torture room--against them. Why is this possible, to use the red-neck zombie family's own tools against them? Because they did not use them justly, as Patience mentions in her diary about what her brothers did to the strangers. They were probably innocent (at least innocent) and the brothers were killing the strangers for excitement (they get the husband bulge over their unnatural excitement of death and torture), and this is why the torture implements can be used against them. |
Why, towards the end, is it that Dana gets attacked by a werewolf? The film does a great job of being consistent with people
getting attacked by what they themselves are, and Dana getting bitten by that werewolf just before she's ready to shoot Marty to "save the world," is a reminder of what Dana did when Holden switched rooms with her and she saw him taking his clothes off in the mirror and she was watching (and basically drooling over) him. Dana was acting as the sexual predator which is usually attributed to men. Which brings us to the
merman.
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| One very old depiction of a merman. |
How many of us had heard of mermen before this film? Again,
The Cabin In the Woods was made in 2009, but writing for
Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides with the man-eating mermaids was being written at the same time, so the flipping between the mermaids sexuality and the man's sexuality corresponds to Dana being bitten by the werewolf which usually happens to men.
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| Marty, Curt and Jules in the cellar. It is an interesting situation how they get down there. They are playing truth or dare and Marty dares Jules to make out with the wolf. It's then Dana's turn and before Dana can say if she wants truth or dare, Curt says, "Truth," and reasons that Dana always chooses truth because she's too chicken to do the dare, so, using her free will which has been seriously impeded by peer pressure at this point (to say the least) Dana says "Dare," and about that time, the previously unseen door to the cellar blows open and Dana is dared to go down into the cellar. |
Why is the “Zombie red-neck torture family” always winning as the choice of death? The description is divided into two parts: the red-necks and the zombies, which, as the film itself points out, are two different monsters from mere, regular zombies. For my readers outside of the United States, the phrase “red-necks” is a cultural reference originally referring to farmers sunburned on their necks while working in the fields; today, however, it’s a pejorative phrase aimed at people considered “trashy” regardless of occupation. Symbolically, just as Mordecai is a false prophet, we can take the Buckners to be "false Christians," who twisted the Gospel and used force to preach rather than, like Patience will do, sacrifice themselves and use Love to preach the Gospel.
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| Dana after the rambler has crashed and the zombie waits to get her. Please note, if you will, the irony of a family of back hill red-necks knowing Latin--even at the age of Patience Buckner--and yet Dana doesn't, it's just nonsense to her, and many of us in the audience don't know it. This is how marginalization works in art, that which we do not know or cannot make sense of, we push off into the margins and forget about it, when, according to Jacques Derrida, those things we don't understand are the ones we should be focusing on, like the Latin incantation that raises the dead. |
So the Buckners were farmers/trappers but zombies are those who go through the actions of life without any “life” in them, and this is another layer of irony about Patience Buckner, her father accused her of not believing in the true faith (being zealous), but the father and brothers were the ones mindlessly going through the sacrifices and rituals and Patience was alert to what was really happening. Patience is so alert to what is going on in life, even when she’s a zombie, she has the strength to do the right thing in making the choice the audience would and kill the director (Sigourney Weaver) who has caused all the problems (we’ll be seeing that axe again in Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter). But this isn't the most important thing about Patience Buckner.
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| Very easy to read this: green usually means re-birth, hope; blue usually means wisdom. In Jules' and Dana's case, however, green means rotten--as in mold--and blue is symbolic of Dana's depression over her break-up with the professor. Why is this important? Sometimes, when we are depressed, it colors our choices, that is, we do things we might not normally do or we don't do things we normally would. This depression within Dana helps us to know why she choose Patience's diary to read in the cellar: she's wanting to read her own emotions and understand what happened in her failed relationship. |
In the opening images of the film are scenes of human sacrifice, the Egyptians sacrificing and the Mayans and Aztecs sacrificing people to gods... but Patience sacrifices herself instead of sacrificing others, and that is the genuine human sacrifice. Why do we hear Patience telling Dana to read the Latin in her diary, or telling Marty to go for a walk? It's not, as Marty suggests, that Patience is trying to inhabit Marty's brain, rather, she's trying to save them. By the Buckners being released instead of one of the other forms of horror that they kids could have chosen, Patience (a virtue) can help them and save them even though she is dead because Patience is more alive than any of the kids.
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| This is how naive I am, that long silver thing Marty is holding is a bong, and I (silly me) thought it was a coffee mug, ha ha. In this shot, Dana has been getting tortured by a zombie and Marty miraculously appears and uses his bong to get the animal trap (pictured) away from the attacking zombie. This is a real problem for a horror film because, again, Marty has a problem with drugs and here he is saving the day, and I think that's a point they are hoping to make: when our legislative bodies decide to eradicate morality or redefine morality, these are the kinds of heroes we are going to be forced to accept because a council has decided how all of us should live and what the rules of survival have now become in society; what was once the horror of the horror film (unacceptable social or sexual behavior) is now heroic. |
How do the items in the cellar reflect each of the characters? The necklace on the bridal gown is feminine and that’s what Jules tries to be, hence, dying her hair blond, but she's also hoping that Curt will marry her; Dana was going to take books to the cabin, so she goes for the book, the diary; Curt was playing football, so he goes for the round object that looks like a ball; Holden is there to get hooked up with Dana so that’s why he opens the jewelry box (a reference to the sexual act with her) and the ballerina refers to the awkward “mating dance” Holden and Dana are doing; Marty goes for the reels of film (he also reads the book about Nemo, after the Pixar film) so he’s always trying to get a “frame of reference” for something and that’s why he went for the movies (possibly also because of the drug culture depicted in the films, but more likely, because Marty has been feeling like something’s strange, as if they are in a horror film and that’s why he’s mentally referencing movies).
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| If the film is going to be consistent in saying that the control room can only get someone to do something that is all ready within them as an act of free will, how is the "gas" coming out of the ventilation system and changing Curt's idea from staying together to splitting up coherent with what control is doing? Curt isn't a natural leader, yet he's trying to be, and his inner indecision is coming through and the control room (as they would argue) is just taking advantage of that. We know Curt isn't a "natural leader," because Marty informs the audience that Curt isn't an "alpha male" which is a leader. |
The Cabin in the Woods is a movie about movies. Again, the more films you have seen, the more films you will recognize, including, I am so happy to say, the tarantula from The Incredible Shrinking Man (I told you that was important! ha ha ha! I was so happy to see it there!). This is the reason there is a control room and a space, a boundary, between "them" and "us," because horror films are rarely scary because there is the boundary there, the fourth dimension that The Cabin In the Woods successfully breaks down by Marty and Dana getting into the elevator and, just like the cubicle library of all the horror films ever made being stored, we store all the films we have seen; will they do us any good? That's for us to use our free will to decide.
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| I wish I could have found an image of Mordecai, the "gas station" operative who is in with the control room. Who is Mordecai? He's the "false prophet" and his Biblical name (Mordecai took care of the orphaned Esther of the same book) refers to a warrior, which is the reason why a "war" is mentioned when the kids are at his "gas station." Which war did Mordecai fight in? Marty jokes that it was the Civil War, an important reference we will be citing in later posts on other films (as this is becoming an important theme for this year) but it was probably Vietnam. Mordecai means "warrior" in Hebrew, but it can also be translated as "servant of Marduk," a pagan god, which is probably most accurate here because the ancient gods discussed in the film are the pagan gods. Mordecai, as a false prophet, can joke about the kids being "the fools of the gods," and the lambs passing the gates but just as Holden and Dana will not like the painting of the goat being attacked by the dogs, so none of the kids will listen to what Mordecai is really saying. Prophecy is always encoded language, but you can tell by the tone if it's negative or positive. The reason they control room puts him on speaker phone is because prophets should be on speaker phone, they need a general audience to hear what they have to say or it's not worth anything if no one hears the prophecy; the problem is, no one is used to prophetic language so, just like Dana skipping over the gibberish of the Latin in Patience's diary, so the control room skips over the gibberish of Mordecai's prophecy and him in general. He's a false prophet because instead of leading people towards good and towards God, Mordecai delivers them to the ancient evil (the opposite of the Mordecai of the Book of Esther who helped her to deliver her people from death). Remember, a house (or in this case, a dirty disgusting gas station) is a symbol for the soul: the dead animals and grime lets us know exactly what Mordecai is all about and the blood-shot eye means there is "blood" in his "prophetic vision." Mordecai can also say, accurately, that they have gas to get to the cabin, but they won't have enough gas to get back from the cabin, symbolically meaning that they have the inner energy to go to the cabin because of their anticipation for a good time, but after they have been there, they will not have the strength of free will to return and lead the life they need to in order to avoid becoming what they have all ready become. |
Looking back on the year when we get to December, I think I will remember The Cabin In the Woods as one of the most significant films of the year because of the moral impeccability of standards it offers us as well as its call to action for us to make sure that we are not falling into the animal traps of the Buckners when we entertain our animal passions, but we are truly worthy of being the heroes, not just for surviving a horror film, but life itself.

Had to get one more important picture in that was just posted to Twitter; this is Sitterson in the control room and behind him is "the list" employees at the "center" for insuring sacrifices to the ancient gods can bet on regarding which form of death the kids in the cabin will choose (yes, this is a total betting pool like the Super Bowl or something; please click on the image for greater detail). I still have some observations I am wanting to add to this post--it was such a great film, really, it'll be one of the most important of the year!--but I have to get Lockout up first. As always, thanks!
22 comments:
That was a great in-depth review.
In-depth, yes. Great? No so much. The author is reading waaaaaaay waaaaay too much christian symbolism into it and ascribing connections that are too much of a stretch.
I mean really? The oral sex circular logic? The music box symbolizing a "mating dance?"
You might as well say the music box was there because Holden was secretly bisexual. You have about as much evidence.
If anything, by your logic, CURT should've been the one to have his throat stabbed... HE actually PERFORMED cunnilingus.
Dear Anonymous,
Thank you very much for your kind words; it's a very complex film that I greatly enjoyed and I didn't even really begin to scratch the surface, but I hope my observations will help you with your own and increase your engagement with the film! Thank you so much for taking the time to leave your comment and kind words, they are deeply appreciated!
Dear Mokti,
Thank you for taking the time to leave your observations, they are truly appreciated!
If I may, permit me, please, to begin with your last observation: "by your logic, CURT should've been the one to have his throat stabbed... HE actually PERFORMED cunnilingus." I don't know that I am going to put this aptly, and if not, I do apologize. The point, the purpose, of interpretation and criticism is to decode what the narrative means, to try to understand what it is the film wants to say but CANNOT SAY because of social conventions or, in this case I believe, the very lack of social conventions. Everyone knows that there are "rules" to a horror film, and only certain people survive (if any at all) and everyone knows that horror films are a critique of sexuality, usually teenage promiscuous sexuality. If I am wrong about this, Mokti, then why is Jules, Curt and Holden sacrificed? If Holden is innocent, then he can't be sacrificed? He must, by the film's standards not by your own, he has to be guilty of something in order to be sacrificed. The point is to find out--through symbols and suggestions--what it is he IS guilty of because if he's not guilty, he can't die, and Marty not dying is a device the film is very aware of.
The film sets up its own rules, Mokti, so unless there is evidence that Holden is bisexual, if we can find it somewhere (and maybe you can, I was taking notes and there were definitely things I missed) then the film doesn't want to take us down that road; but there ARE ROADS THE FILM DOES WANT TO LEAD US, and the point is to use the clues to piece the iternary together the best we can!
Please, I would genuinely appreciate your comments on this but please remember one thing: I am not the one who made the film, I am only a viewer, like yourself and I have never nor will ever even approach thinking that my interpretations are absolute and final, I only hope they will aid others in articulating their own insights! Thank you for taking the time to leave your observations, they are most appreciated!
There is a point that has been bugging me, Dana and Curt. When we first see Dana, she's in her bedroom, not wearing any pants; after talking with Jules, Curt walks in and talks to Dana about her choice in books; after discussing this for a minute or two, Curt looks down and says to her, "You're not wearing any pants," and leaves the room and Dana is embarrassed. THEN, Dana gives Curt a kiss just before he tries the jump and dies. If either of these situations had happened, without the other situation happening, I probably wouldn't think much about it, however, the two taken together SEEMS (and this is only a hint but worth throwing onto the table for discussion) that there is a subliminal attraction between Curt and Dana, and Dana suffers for that (in fact, this might be the real reason for the werewolf attack at the end; I would greatly benefit from seeing the film again, obviously). This possibility is something to consider.
You're making it too complicated. Everyone is guilty. Even the "virgin" is unclean, as is clearly lampshaded.
Everyone is supposed to be doomed because they use an artifact. The basement's knickknacks are the origin and vehicle of the doom. Their aspects (Slut, Scholar, etc.) appear to be just ritual requirements for the sacrifice, not actual goads or reasons for said doom.
A more plausible explanation for the werewolf attacking Dana (if monsters only attack sinners) would be due to the fact that she is about to shoot the Fool... and has taken it upon herself to become a murderer to save the world (the road to hell and all).
A kiss on the cheek isn't overtly sexual. And most probably not in the context given in the bike jump scene.
Look, I have nothing against analysis... but when you use circular logic to make an assertion, it undermines your argument.
I mean, fixating on why Holden got throat stabbed and ascribing it to a fantasy about getting a blowjob... without ANY clues other than the fact that A.)he had a hardon at some point and B.)he was stabbed in the throat... is silly and far too much a leap.
Little Nemo is not Finding Nemo.
Dear Anonymous (May 1), thank you; I assume you are correct, I have only seen the film once as of this date and was so busy taking notes that, gulp, I missed it; hope to see it again Thurs before The Avengers opens. Thank you very kindly for pointing out that mistake to me!
Dear Mokti,
First, again, I apologize that it has taken me so long to reply to your great and important arguments you are presenting; I sincerely appreciate the wonderful challenges you have taken the time to articulate and leave for myself and other readers; thank you!
You and I DO AGREE that everyone is guilty; I think we agree that Dana (the unclean Virgin) and Marty (the Fool) are both guilty even though they make it to the end (with the building structure crumbling, it's unknowable if they survive that or not) but we disagree when you say "The basement's knickknacks are the origin and vehicle of the doom," because I believe each person is all ready doomed BEFORE they go down into the basement because all the life choices they made before arriving at the cabin weakened their free will sufficiently so as to not have the strength to overcome the "obstacles" and interference inserted by the Control Room on the other side of the grid. To, regrettably, contradict you, each character isn't "doomed because they use an artifact," they are doomed by life-long abuse to their free will, hence, they are drawn to an artifact articulating that inner-doom for the audience.
I agree with you, Mokti, that using "circular logic to make assertion(s) undermine(s) (my) argument" BUT I am not using logic nor philosophy, I am using ICONOGRAPHY, the study of symbols and the audience's ability to know and process those symbols. There is no circular logic in iconography because symbols are a way an artist (in this case, film maker) employs to guide the viewer along a path, mirrored by the Control Room using various devices to guide the characters along the path the Control Room wants them to take (incorporating their weak will). The film makers know we are an educated audience, in that we have seen lots of horror films, and at the end, when all the monsters break out, we recognize them; the film makers are counting on that so they can better communicate with us about what they are doing DIFFERENTLY than previous horror films, but also WHAT THEY DECIDE TO RETAIN from horror films before. This is why I can recognize, when a werewolf appears on the screen, that it's a symbol for male sexuality, because I have seen other horror films where that is the case (from The Wolf Man to Van Helsing, etc.) and the film makers want us to fill in the gaps so as to have a meaningful dialogue with them about morality today. I THINK you and I just disagree about what degree of sexuality is being condemned.
You're right about "A kiss on the cheek isn't overtly sexual" but you are also ignoring the scene with Dana standing there without any pants on and both Dana and Curt "ignoring it." BUT, BUT, that's not the important thing, Mokti, what's important is that it's not my morality the film is employing, neither is it your morality the film employs (our standards of what is right or wrong) the film employs ITS OWN STANDARDS which appear to be more conservative than your own. It's the film using the phrase "husband bulge" not me. Regardless of what we think about a kiss isn't what's important, it's what the film thinks about it that's important. Artists have to use codes, symbols, innuendos to communicate that which they can't communicate, so, instead of saying, "husband bulge," the film makers don't have to say, "the Buckner boy was sexually aroused by sadistically torturing others which he thought had a religious basis but that kind of erection he had is meant only for a husband to have when he partakes of sexual relations with his wife." "Husband bulge," sounds much better.
Which leads us now to Holden (discussed below).
Regarding Holden,...
I do stick by the "mating dance" you mocked and I do stick by the interpretation of the stabbing in the throat as a symbol the film maker's used to communicate to the audience about the real reason Holden was dying (the desire for oral sex). But I will provide you with an additional element for proof.
The Sugar Plum Fairy.
If you go to IMDB.com, type in The Cabin In the Woods, and go to the credits, full cast and crew, you'll see that there is a Sugarplum Fairy (portrayed by Phoebe Galvan). In the basement, the ballerina in the music box Holden saw looked innocent enough, but when Marty and Dana "go down" in the elevator (again, entering into the region symbolizing the lower passions and appetites) they see the ballerina Holden looked at morphed into the Sugarplum Fairy with the rows and rows of teeth (no face, only teeth). The Sugarplum fairy is a woman who has no identity because her appetites (the rows of teeth) have taken over. What appetite would do that to a woman? Oral sex. That's what Holden WANTS Dana to become for him and it's not that I am using circular logic, rather, the film makers show me a visualization, and employing other aspects of the film, I try to fill in the blanks like a crossword puzzle that provides some clues.
What horror movie do we know the Sugarplum Fairy from? Well the most famous is not a horror film, but a Christmas ballet, The Nutcracker. In Act II, the Land of sweets, the Sugar Plum Fairy (it's spelled as one word for The Cabin In the Woods and two for The Nutcracker) has been ruling the Land of Sweets until the Nutcracker was returned into his princely form and the act concludes with a dance between the Sugar Plum Fairy and the Cavalier. This is how most of us know the Sugar Plum fairy, NOT as the woman with rows of teeth, and that's because no woman is supposed to be that way!
Remember the portrait of the professor Dana studies in the beginning of the film? He had eye glasses, symbolic of wisdom (because those who are wise can "see" more than those who are fools) but the professor only "saw" Dana as a young woman to be taken advantage of instead of teaching her about her dignity and her responsibility to her dignity; hence, Dana lost her virginity and is unclean because of it (this is why Dana picks the red-neck zombie torture family: the red-neck would be the opposite of the professor, the zombie is what Dana has become because she's "dead" to loosing her virginity [she would rather not be a virgin than be a virgin which is the better identity to have] and they are a torture family because Dana is willing gave into the pain of being dismissed by the professor when he broke up with her in an email instead of the torture/pain that goes against someone's will [Dana tells Jules, "I knew what I was doing," so she accepts the pain willingly instead of having the sense to regret her foolish actions and learn from them]).
I know you will still not agree with what I have said, but please, do leave your additional comments and arguments and I will get to them asap (I have some other boards I am also engaged in discussion on so please, forgive the delay).
Mokti, thank you very, very much for your wonderful contributions! I DO appreciate them!
I worked on this film. I can tell you that the sugarplum fairy (originally referred to as the lamprey ballerina) has nothing to do with oral sex.
J,
It must have been a wonderful experience working on the film, I am so glad you were able to!
J, I would like to point out however, that I have every right to make this connection: first, just because you "worked on the film" doesn't mean you have the monopoly on decisions made about the film; secondly, even if you did, you would have to have pamphlets handed out as people were going into see it with your break-down of what everything meant. This isn't how art works (with any medium); the artists involved have a right to contribute to the discussion art generates, but once they have released said work of art into the public, they become part of the public themselves; ANY interpretation the public can construe is a valid one AND if the artist doesn't like an interpretation, it means the artist failed in successfully assembling the art into a coherent format to communicate what they wanted to communicate; further, it someone engaging art, such as myself, upsets an artist by their interpretation, regrettably, that is the price of being an artist. As a member of the public engaging the art after the art goes public, the artist certainly has the same rights as I to challenge my interpretation and, using the art, demonstrate a fault in my reading/better interpretation using other methods, but simply stating that "I worked on the film and that's not what it means," while I AM CONFIDENT isn't what you are getting at, could be used by some arbitrarily to dismiss interpretations which counter their own morals/lack of and hence to create censorship which I am sure is not your intention (but is an undesirable effect).
Dear J, even if you were Joss Whedon, or Harvey Weinstein, or Cecil B. De Mille, I would say the exact same thing to them I say to you: not permitting an audience freedom to engage keeps an audience ignorant and limits what film makers are able to do and their vocabulary they can employ. The more discussion and debate generated by art, the better the art is and the greater its contribution to society; that Cabin In the Woods has generated so much conversation is a sign of its power as a work of art and the mastery of artistry of the film makers.
J, I appreciate your comment and all the work you and others contributed to the film because I have thoroughly enjoyed it. However, unless you have signed statements from every single decision-maker on the film, you can't say that you know what something in a film means. Even if you were a painter and the only person who worked on the painting, you couldn't say that you and you alone hold the meaning to the painting because we are subject to drives in our unconscious that we are unaware of; if artists don't want to engage their art with the public, they shouldn't be artists because that is the whole point.
Again, J, thank you for taking the time to leave your comments, and thank you for all your wonderful work you contributed to creating such a wonderful film, I am confident it will be one of the best of the year and among horror films!
I do agree with you on their being symbolism and meaning underneath this film and that the more horror movies you have seen, the more you may get out of this, but I disagree with the general thrust of your interpretation. I think the key points are exhibited in (A) Marty's initial assertion that mankind has become too technological and connected, (B) Dana's exhibited uniqueness (Hadley notes she "has a lot of heart"), (C) the "glitch" that delays the tunnel explosion, and (D) The Director's throwaway line, "We work with what we have" when Dana asserts she is not a virgin.
I believe, based on those pieces of evidence, that the thesis is that this group of five subverts the stereotypical icons the ritual requires (ie: virgin, athlete, etc), just as the film itself subverts the horror genre. Curt has shown brains and decency in his opening scene, Dana is not a virgin, Holden is just as athletic as Curt, etc. The Control Room, while also representing on an unrelated tangent the creators of horror stories as they manipulate the characters and plot to create their story, in this case are shown to be the transgressors as they manipulate the characters free will through chemicals, staged setups, and artificial barriers. They are basically creating a loaded gun. The Control Room can represent technology and our society knowing so much about each other (eg: Facebook, Google) and its attempts to control and manipulate people. I imagine at one time, it was easier to find a group of sacrificial lambs that were indeed sinful and played to their archetypes, but they have resorted to finding "near-fits" and crafting the rest.
I believe Dana provides the vessel for Fate or the Powers That Be (PTB), whether that be the Ancient Ones or something higher or parallel to them, to cause the downfall of the system the Control Room has set up. Even Hadley, who has likely seen numerous "virgins" over the years notices something different about her. And we as the audience are treated to an additional piece of evidence never explained. After Dana has attacked the zombie with a knife repeatedly to the chest in order to free Hadley from his grasp in the torture room, she drops it to the ground. You can see a spark between the knife and her hand when she releases it. (It's obvious, but I've confirmed seeing it again on my second viewing.) I think either that is the "glitch" or Dana herself is the glitch that causes the tunnel mishap as well as the overall plan of the ritual.
All of the other "Control Rooms" in the other countries have failed with some of them failing multiple times over the years. Those in "control" are the ones being punished by Fate or the PTB. Those in control can pretend they are giving their victims "free will," but releasing pheromones and chemicals, constructing invisible barriers, and releasing nightmarish evil things are all parts of coercion. And someone or something higher has proven they can see right through it.
[Still, kudos on the exhaustive analysis you provided. Hope you liked the Avengers as much as I did, too.]
Dear Unknown,
Thank you most kindly for taking the time to share your very insightful and interesting reading of the film; it is truly appreciated as the more understandings and observations are made available to us, the greater our knowledge and appreciation of the film will be!
I very much want you to know that I appreciate your own reading, but our interpretations are not mutually exclusive, they can both exist. If I may, your reading of the film is primarily based on what's called "reader response theory," that the audience is informed viewers (of horror films and the art avenues which form the stereotypes the film assumes we can comprehend) whereas I have done moral iconography (symbolism with an emphasis on how morals collide).
As is continually pointed out on this blog, everyone will "read" or understand art based on their own life experiences, which includes yourself and myself. By being in touch with our own understandings, and articulating them to share with others, we can all become more versed in the lessons art attempts to teach us.
Again, I really have enjoyed your very interesting interpretation of the film and I thank you for taking the time to post it!
I feel as though you're letting your own personal morals influence your interpretation too much my friend. Joss Whedon is a champion of Feminism. He does not believe in the dumb bimbo who's sole purpose is to take her clothes off and die; so the fact that you say Jules is in fact "the whore" means that you don't really understand Mr. Whedon at all. I'm an enormous fan of Joss and I've seen everything he's done (Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, Firefly/Serenity, Dollhouse, Dr. Horrible, Much Ado About Nothing, The Avengers, and of course Cabin in the Woods) so I can tell you that in typical Joss fashion, he's turing stereo-types of horror characters on their heads.
Jules- "The Whore" is in a loving, committed relationship with ONE man. (Her morals regarding pre-marital sex may not match yours but that doesn't make them wrong) As for making out with the wolf, we learn from Marty that, that is NOT her normal behavior and we as the audience know is the result of the drugs being pumped into the air by the control room.
Curt- "The Athlete" attends college on a full academic scholarship, recommends that Dana read Gurovsky, and is not even the best player on the team. That would be:
Holden- "The Scholar" who may wear glasses and read Latin but he's also described as having some great attribute that makes him a football star (I don't understand sports much).
Marty- "The Fool" is the first to figure out what is going on, sabotages the control room and lives until the end.
and finally
Dana- "The Virgin" is not a virgin.
Like The Director says "We work with what we can get". That was Joss's whole point: that too often films compartmentalize characters into these stock roles, especially in horror, but that isn't how it works in real life. Humans are layered and can not simply be defined by their flaws or their virtues.
The reason Joss Whedon does not have an entire room's worth of film awards (that he so rightfully deserves) is because to understand his work you must understand the man himself. And while I respect your interpretation I can't help but feel that you're not a Whedonite and there for I must take your review with a grain of salt.
Dear Anonymous (Sept 29),
You are such a Whedon fan, I hate to point this out to you, but I will: Mr. Whedon, with the greatest respect due, only CO-WROTE the screenplay with Drew Goddard, who directed the film, not Mr. Whedon. I respect your knowledge of Mr. Whedon's films, however, given Mr. Whedon's more limited role than what you seem to be under the impression he had regarding the making of the film, perhaps you would like to re-think your own estimation since you have examined the film through the eyes of a director that didn't direct.
Of course, EVERYONE ONE OF US views films through our own morals and values, our priorities and experiences, INCLUDING YOURSELF, which means that you would be more than willing to excuse "immoral behavior" of a character if you yourself have engaged in it and, furthermore, you would be willing to claim that the filmmaker thought the same as you regardless of what the film says/doesn't say, because that's how we poor humans are.
I am very happy and proud of you to see you engaging the film and its structure; please, however, when in disagreement with me, don't assume that I am wrong because I have morals, it just means we disagree, not that I am wrong; all interpretations are valid as long as they truthfully utilize material within the film's presentation; some interpretations can utilize more material than other positions, which makes them more fruitful and those are the positions I try to take.
Thank you for taking the time to leave your comments, I wish you the very best!
Fuck you and your stupid ass analysis.
Okay, thanks and God bless! Warmest regards and best wishes!
I'm sorry, but this film was made by Joss Wheadon. He is an outspoken atheist and he put a scene in to his show Firefly that showed two girls making out for no reason. It was not important to the story at all. It was just there to, shall we say, give the male viewers a "husband buldge". That being said, I cannot see him making a film with deep moral symbolism. He showed them having sex and showed her breasts just to show it. I do agree with you on the fact that he did only see Jules as a thing and that he did not see her as a person. However, I don't think that the stoner was killed because he was a dead beat or because he made out with Jules in his Freshman year of high school. I also do not think that Dana was killed because she was lusting after the one guy. Also, patience was going to kill him, but she hit the other woman instead because she was in her way. She was coming towards him, but he shoved her and the women who was in charge off of ledge to kill both of them. I do agree with your moral views of premarital sex and I am also a Christian, but knowing the views of the director, I think that you read into this way too much.
Dear Anonymous (Oct 20),
Thank you for taking the time to leave your comments; I am aware that Mr. Wheadon is an atheist and that he has,... non Christian morality; what I disagree with you is Mr. Whedon's role in the film making process; Drew Goddard is listed as the director and co-writer of the screenplay with Wheadon, not Wheadon being the director, and that is a huge difference. Even IF (and this is highly likely) Wheadon was helping to write scenes with one idea in his mind, that doesn't mean that Goddard was bound to carry out Wheadon's interpretations as he was directing. Horror films are by far the most conservative genre within cinema because they ALWAYS teach us moral lessons, hence the reason for The Cabin In the Woods being an assembly of horror films to offer an anthology of what they have taught us through the years and how we have failed in heeding the lessons.
Point of concern: Dana is NOT killed, neither is Marty (is that the stoner's name?) they both survive. I disagree with your interpretation of Patience, I see her as intentionally killing Sigourney Weaver's character and sacrificing herself.
Am I reading too much into The Cabin In the Woods? Absolutely not. It's a film that itself interprets all horror films (for example, the categorizing of all the different types of possible deaths in a horror film) and so I have failed to read enough into the film but I have at least made a start!
Thank you so much again and God bless!
Whether I agreed or not, I enjoyed reading your interpretations of everything in the film, however I feel you missed mention the most significant part of the film: "The Ancient Ones."
Who do they represent, in your opinion?
In my own, the Ancient Ones are slasher movie fans. People who have seen the teenage slaughter fest movies like to see them done correctly, and when they are not done correctly, the movie is rejected, which in tuen destroys the movie's canonical universe. Movie buffs are particular, and the Ancient ones like things to be done in a very specific way.
The workers are then the film creators. One character is literally referred to as "the director." The workers set up and create the environment, just as film makers literally make the films. Tying back into my last point: the sole purpose of the workers is to please the "ancient ones" just as the sole purpose of filmmakers is to entertain the audience.
Then we have the characters. These characters represent the literal characters of slasher movies. Obviously, their archtypes are directly identified later on.
When "the fool" survived, the slasher mold was broken. The ancient ones, or the audience, did not welcome this change, and rejected the movie. Just like the japanese test (in which there were zero fatalities) the "film" was uninteresting. The ancient ones, who rejected the lack of sacrifice, are like slasher fans who reject a lack of action/gore/suspense/sex/all things slasher. Poorly recieved films never recieve sequils, and their worlds are essentially destroyed.
I agree that this is a movie about movies, but I'd like to add that it is also a movie about making movies.
Dear Jordan,
Forgive me for the long silence; I had hoped to get The Cabin In the Woods last week to watch again (since I only saw it once when it first came out and I ust can't remember like I should be able to in order to better address your very insightful observations) but I still haven't been able to get it. I DO apologize, I can't wait to see it again as it was a far better film than what I was anticipating and, as you can tell from all the discussion posted here, it has generated much debate! I am glad you enjoyed reading my post and I certainly enjoy hearing your own position on the film, that makes for such a wonderful experience of any art! Thank you so much for taking the time to post your comments and I will try to see the film again ASAP and post something else on it because there aren numerous elements I would like to examine with a bit more time to study it!
Very best wishes and thank you so much!
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